spikey faz
Western Thunderer
I think these locomotives definitely benefit from being lined out. Seems to make them look smaller and somehow tidier.
Mike
Mike
7mm Manning Wardle Old Class i: a self-designed 'kit'
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John Baker
Western Thunderer
I've build 3 of them now and not plucked up the confidence to try lining with a pen yet......I'm sure I'll build a 4th one at some point which will (?!) be lined 
BTW.....1 more kit of this batch remaining if somebody fancies showing me the way with lining!
BTW.....1 more kit of this batch remaining if somebody fancies showing me the way with lining!
Rob Pulham
Western Thunderer
Being one of Colonel Stephens finest, this is more mongrel than Manning Wardle but there is a slight resemblance.
Having scratch built and painted her, it then took four more years to pluck up the courage to line her and when I did I got a bit carried away...
Having scratch built and painted her, it then took four more years to pluck up the courage to line her and when I did I got a bit carried away...
spikey faz
Western Thunderer
I've only success I've had on lining a loco is by using the Pressfix lining decals. Nothing sophisticated, but I found it surprisingly easy.I've build 3 of them now and not plucked up the confidence to try lining with a pen yet......I'm sure I'll build a 4th one at some point which will (?!) be lined
BTW.....1 more kit of this batch remaining if somebody fancies showing me the way with lining!
Mike
spikey faz
Western Thunderer
I think you need to us more about this. Looks fantastic! Especially like the round profile coupling rods.
Mike
Rob Pulham
Western Thunderer
Hi Mike,
It's one of the first things that I built after joining WT back in 2010 - The build starts here https://www.westernthunder.co.uk/threads/rob-pulhams-work-bench-connoissuer-j79-revisited.162/post-7450 but after the first post, you need to scroll down the page a few posts before you pick up the rest of the build.
It's one of the first things that I built after joining WT back in 2010 - The build starts here https://www.westernthunder.co.uk/threads/rob-pulhams-work-bench-connoissuer-j79-revisited.162/post-7450 but after the first post, you need to scroll down the page a few posts before you pick up the rest of the build.
spikey faz
Western Thunderer
Hi Rob
I've just finished reading your 'Severn' build. What a great project! Bags of character and I get the feeling you really enjoyed building it.
Mike
Rob Pulham
Western Thunderer
I did, the S&M doesn't suit anything that I model but I wouldn't part with her for any amount.
John Baker
Western Thunderer
spikey faz
Western Thunderer
Well done on investing your own time and money in this. I just hope we do you proud when it comes to building the kits.Thanks for the support everyone! The first batch of kits has now sold out - I'll be putting another small batch together which should be ready in the next 3 or 4 weeks or so
Mike
PhilH
Western Thunderer
I hope you don't mind another intrusion in this topic, but the mention of the R&R kit in Post # 140 brought back memories of attempting to build this about 50 years ago. If I remember correctly it was intended to be built on a Hornby 00 gauge 0-6-0 chassis with extended axles. It must have catered for both the early and late versions, as I built the latter with a full cab. In the event most of the kit finished up in the bin, I think the only parts used were the cab etchings (with the sides modified and a new bunker side grafted in), the whitemetal brake shoes and toolbox. The rest including the chassis was scratchbuilt.
The supplied rather poor representations of the springs were used initially, but replaced with scratchbuilt items before the painting stage.
Painting and lining was carried out by LarryG. The drive is by a Romford Terrier motor mounted vertically in the firebox and it wasn't, if I remember correctly, a particularly good runner. Its also a bit too shiney for the layout, so for most of its life its sat on the mantlepiece in a small glass case.
It was based fairly loosely on Manning Wardle 1507 at the Dolgarrog Aluminium Works in North Wales (photograph from a print supplied by the works, photographer unknown)
The supplied rather poor representations of the springs were used initially, but replaced with scratchbuilt items before the painting stage.
Painting and lining was carried out by LarryG. The drive is by a Romford Terrier motor mounted vertically in the firebox and it wasn't, if I remember correctly, a particularly good runner. Its also a bit too shiney for the layout, so for most of its life its sat on the mantlepiece in a small glass case.
It was based fairly loosely on Manning Wardle 1507 at the Dolgarrog Aluminium Works in North Wales (photograph from a print supplied by the works, photographer unknown)
RichardG
Western Thunderer
I have had a peek at the etches today. They are are quite exquisite, though some of the parts are going to be a bit small/intricate by my standards and experience. I wonder, has anyone here (apart from John!) made a start? I have this pencilled in as my project for the winter, but I don't particularly want to be first.
The kit includes two sets of frames, for 1/8 and 3/16 inch axles. I am going for the 1/8 inch option, to suit Slater's 7837MW wheels.
Dog Star
Western Thunderer
Feel the fear and do it anyway, just do not be the first to write about your experiences.
That's a good option because it gives you the opportunity to use a High Level gearbox & motor combination if you wish. That's what I have used in several of my small locos ( I & L class and Hudswell Clarke) and they are quite powerful enough. These replaced all-metal home brew double -reduction efforts (80-1) and were a bit quieter into the bargain which was handy as I also retro-fitted them with sound.
Bob
RichardG
Western Thunderer
I will best familiarise myself with the work of Susan Jeffers. I hope it is reasonably short.
John Baker
Western Thunderer
I designed it with a 1/8" axel option specifically so I could use a high level gearbox (HumpShunter). I also used one of their small (but powerful) 1219C cordless motors. I haven't tested its haulage power extensively by any means, but I have had it pulling 5 of Gladiators white metal chauldrons, and it didn't baulk at that in the slightest. Assuming you'll be posting your build progress on your usual workbench thread, I'll follow with interest!
spikey faz
Western Thunderer
Hi @John Baker
I know you were looking at producing a set of inside valve-gear to go with this kit. I'm assuming this can be retrofitted if the kit has already been assembled?
Mike
I know you were looking at producing a set of inside valve-gear to go with this kit. I'm assuming this can be retrofitted if the kit has already been assembled?
Mike
John Baker
Western Thunderer
Funny you should mention that as I've been tweaking my original designs for the inside motion yesterday evening. There'll be no problem retro-fitting the motion as long as you've used horn blocks and guides so that at least the middle axel can be dropped out. Going by my earlier attempt (a while ago now) I built the whole motion as a separate unit, which can then be fitted after the frames are built. However there's not much space which makes it quite a fiddle to get two cross-heads lined up and slotted into the the slide bars, at the same time as inserting two valve rods into the valve glands. At least 3 pairs of hands are needed!
RichardG
Western Thunderer
Most of the kits I have built so far have been established designs that are widely-known to go together. So really, my workbench topic portrays a developing modeller rather than anything especially original.
For the NER class H2, I tried to concentrate on describing the parts of the kit I altered or worked up my own way. This helped me to filter out my efforts of lesser consequence, and left me with a handful of simple posts to cover the final assembly, detailing and tweaking.
The kit for the old class i is a far more modern design, with a higher level of detail. Knowing that the etches are at their third iteration, I suspect I will find the build far less frustrating than that of the MW class F two years ago. This will be my first go at a modern CAD-drawn kit too, so I also suspect some of my modifications will be to omit details I find too small or intricate rather than to create new ones!
I suggest it will be best for me to record my useful progress on my workbench topic; and to post queries which I think might affect others back here on the "kit" topic.
John Baker
Western Thunderer
Shameless plug here, but after the first batch of my Manning Wardle Old Class i kit sold out within a few days, I've put another small batch together. Some have already been taken through pre-orders, but I have a few more for sale as well.
See link below:
Manning Wardle Old Class i 7mm scale kit
See link below:
Manning Wardle Old Class i 7mm scale kit