oldravendale
Western Thunderer
I love those locos, Oz. Trainspotting at Northwick Park we'd call them "honorary steam engines". 
Oz7mm's occasional meanderings - 5" Gauge Met Bo-Bo
Oz7mm
Western Thunderer
Brian - I think the added attraction was the train of 6 40 or 50 year old Dreadnought coaches in tow.
For me the saddest thing was that the H Class 4-4-4 tanks didn't survive into my lifetime. Seeing the changeover from a Growler to an H at Rickmansworth would have been a great.
On the other hand I'm glad I'm not so old that I could have seen that.
John
For me the saddest thing was that the H Class 4-4-4 tanks didn't survive into my lifetime. Seeing the changeover from a Growler to an H at Rickmansworth would have been a great.
On the other hand I'm glad I'm not so old that I could have seen that.
John
Yorkshire Dave
Western Thunderer
Everything transforms when you start adding details.... I presume you have the decals and nameplates.
I love those locos, Oz. Trainspotting at Northwick Park we'd call them "honorary steam engines".
Designed for a purpose which they carried out for 40 years - probably un-noticed by many.
oldravendale
Western Thunderer
Oh yes, John! I remember those Dreadnoughts as actually being quite comfortable (but probably not as comfy as the Pullmans) but there was a notable lack of toilet facilities. The loss of the original Met steam locos to the LNER which, of course made them non standard lead to their early demise. However there are recorded incidents of the Met 0-4-4Ts taking over trains at Rickmansworth. Ricky remains a lovely station as do those North although the loco sidings are not surprisingly long gone.
Brian
Brian
Oz7mm
Western Thunderer
I have LT nameplates for Sherlock Holmes which is the intention. The estimable Met expert Ken de Groome also gave me a set of Met style plates for Sir Ralph Verney.
Decals are an issue. Though they are advertised as such, Fox's LT decals are far too big. In fact they are the same size as those advertised for the 7 1/4" gauge model. They have told me that it is on the 2024 to do list and I should probably give them a call to see if they have become reality.
I don't know where I might get the numbers though. Can anyone help?
John
Yorkshire Dave
Western Thunderer
For my LT decals I commissioned a 7mm set from Fox and specified they use the correct Johnston P22 typeface. I'll dig out a set and to illustrate.
Yorkshire Dave
Western Thunderer
Here's how Fox printed my 7mm scale decals. This is one set and I had ten of each to make up my order.
The lettering in the green boxes are for buses.
White: Goods rolling stock. (PH. = Power House wagon; HW. = Hopper Wagon; BW. = Ballast Wagon; SL. = Slurry wagon and A. = Ash wagon)
Yellow: Locomotives. The 2/ and 53 etc outlined in blue allow the combinations of overhaul dates to be added to the noses of the Bo-Bo. Usually it appeared on both A and D ends except for the one I modelled No. 3 Sir Ralph Verney where it appeared on the A end only - I had to check a number of photos.
Depending how far you go with the details there are subtle differences in the cable connections between the A and D ends.
A end
D end
The lettering in the green boxes are for buses.
White: Goods rolling stock. (PH. = Power House wagon; HW. = Hopper Wagon; BW. = Ballast Wagon; SL. = Slurry wagon and A. = Ash wagon)
Yellow: Locomotives. The 2/ and 53 etc outlined in blue allow the combinations of overhaul dates to be added to the noses of the Bo-Bo. Usually it appeared on both A and D ends except for the one I modelled No. 3 Sir Ralph Verney where it appeared on the A end only - I had to check a number of photos.
Depending how far you go with the details there are subtle differences in the cable connections between the A and D ends.
A end
D end
Yorkshire Dave
Western Thunderer
This photo appeared on the Metropolitan Railway and Brill Tramway Facebook/ache group/page. Photographer and copyright unknown.
Obviously taken at Rickmansworth.
Eastsidepilot
Western Thunderer
John,
I have a feeling that although you say that is the colour your looking for it might not be achievable without weathering. If you had the same can of paint that the loco in this picture was painted with, your model would look different without the patina
Col.
I have a feeling that although you say that is the colour your looking for it might not be achievable without weathering. If you had the same can of paint that the loco in this picture was painted with, your model would look different without the patina
Col.
oldravendale
Western Thunderer
Just to confuse matters here's one of mine at Baker Street in 1961. To my mind it has a more maroon look to the paintwork, so using a single reference to guide your colour choice may need reconsideration. As we've said on these pages many times before the colour will depend on the film stock and lighting conditions at the time. Your reference looks distinctly more brown than I remember.
Of course, there's always the loco in the LT Museum as a reference.
Ken de Groome has always been very helpful in detailing colours. I have a feeling that the base colour for any locos he's done is ox blood - in fact Cherry Paints of some time memory made a London Transport Maroon which looked good to me.
Brian
Of course, there's always the loco in the LT Museum as a reference.
Ken de Groome has always been very helpful in detailing colours. I have a feeling that the base colour for any locos he's done is ox blood - in fact Cherry Paints of some time memory made a London Transport Maroon which looked good to me.
Brian
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Oz7mm
Western Thunderer
I see it's 7 months since the last update. Despite weekly sessions (and a bit more) and, reading back, a number of references to the home straight, progress still seems to be glacially slow.
Anyway, this is where we are now. Apologies for the pictures - photography is something else I'm no good at. Clearly a visit from @Scale7JB is required but I'm not sure I can afford his rates since he started getting published.
Back in post #94 I highlighted the 3D printed window frames in the middle of the sides. These worked out well and I took the plunge and attacked the end windows. the major flaw in the glass fibre body moulding is the mid height panel strip which is too low. I realised this far too late to change it. It does have the unfortunate effect, if you follow it of making the end cab windows too deep. I cut the tub back to the panel lines and S-Club-7 kindly printed a replacement sections, complete with an infill under the window and the beading around the window opening. After a lot of measuring (including from a slightly suspect works drawing I think they look about right (the aspect ratio is 4:3 for the opening).
We have continued to add details to the chassis to remove the bare look. The chassis sides now sport 2 of the 3 pipes that run along it, the brake shaft brackets, fuse boxes, lifting lugs and steps though the latter are scarcely visible in this shot. These steps were also printed by Mr Rayner and are actually more robust than the steel ones which were rather too thin. There is also now a brake shaft between the brackets not very visible here.
This is the other side awaiting pipework to be refitted. Also visible over the buffer is the first of the lamp irons, kindly printed by @Boyblunder. These are to be screwed on, as I expect them to get broken from time to and will need replacements. Unfortunately when trying to drill the next two holes I broke a drill in one and a tap in the other so back to the drawing board on these.
Finally, a view of the other end to the first picture, unfortunately taken into the morning sun. In an attempt to get more "clutter" at the ends I attached a brake (?) hose to the end. This comes from 17D. It's not particularly accurate but I think I'll use it anyway.
It's currently painted in Halfords red primer to check that all the filling around the replacement window frames doesn't show (and to get a taste of how it will look).
The loco now sits on a length of track from PnP. They'll sell you this 1.25 metre length for the princely sum of £26. Sounds cheap until you figure out the cost of putting a track round your garden (no, that's not happening).
Maybe we are finally on the home straight.
John
Anyway, this is where we are now. Apologies for the pictures - photography is something else I'm no good at. Clearly a visit from @Scale7JB is required but I'm not sure I can afford his rates since he started getting published.
Back in post #94 I highlighted the 3D printed window frames in the middle of the sides. These worked out well and I took the plunge and attacked the end windows. the major flaw in the glass fibre body moulding is the mid height panel strip which is too low. I realised this far too late to change it. It does have the unfortunate effect, if you follow it of making the end cab windows too deep. I cut the tub back to the panel lines and S-Club-7 kindly printed a replacement sections, complete with an infill under the window and the beading around the window opening. After a lot of measuring (including from a slightly suspect works drawing I think they look about right (the aspect ratio is 4:3 for the opening).
We have continued to add details to the chassis to remove the bare look. The chassis sides now sport 2 of the 3 pipes that run along it, the brake shaft brackets, fuse boxes, lifting lugs and steps though the latter are scarcely visible in this shot. These steps were also printed by Mr Rayner and are actually more robust than the steel ones which were rather too thin. There is also now a brake shaft between the brackets not very visible here.
This is the other side awaiting pipework to be refitted. Also visible over the buffer is the first of the lamp irons, kindly printed by @Boyblunder. These are to be screwed on, as I expect them to get broken from time to and will need replacements. Unfortunately when trying to drill the next two holes I broke a drill in one and a tap in the other so back to the drawing board on these.
Finally, a view of the other end to the first picture, unfortunately taken into the morning sun. In an attempt to get more "clutter" at the ends I attached a brake (?) hose to the end. This comes from 17D. It's not particularly accurate but I think I'll use it anyway.
It's currently painted in Halfords red primer to check that all the filling around the replacement window frames doesn't show (and to get a taste of how it will look).
The loco now sits on a length of track from PnP. They'll sell you this 1.25 metre length for the princely sum of £26. Sounds cheap until you figure out the cost of putting a track round your garden (no, that's not happening).
Maybe we are finally on the home straight.
John