Yorkshire Dave
Western Thunderer
More likely from the Craven era or contractor built.
LBSCR two plank ballast wagon
- Thread starter Jon Nazareth
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More likely from the Craven era or contractor built.
Jon Nazareth
Western Thunderer
I have two LBSCR Ballast wagons, the same as Arty, and I have decided to have a go at modifying them to represent earlier versions. The first thing was to fill the laser hinge detail and these pictures show them filled and sanded back. I should have taken a picture before the filler was applied but......
Early days yet.
Jon
Spitfire2865
Western Thunderer
What was the difference between these as made and what youre going for?
Ill keep an eye on your modifications as I have one coming soon.
Ill keep an eye on your modifications as I have one coming soon.
Jon Nazareth
Western Thunderer
Trevor/Richard
I'm going to make them look something like No. 7796 on page 60 of Southern wagons Vol. Two. As above, the outside hinges are going to be moved inwards so that I can represent the pin that is bolted onto the inner face of the end. The actual hinges need to be changed to early LBSCR type. These were a sort of staple fitted to a steel plate that was bolted to the floor or to the solebar. The eye of the strap part of the hinge was fitted to this. If you think along these lines and look at the photograph hopefully you will see what I mean. The W irons will be changed as well. The ones used on the wagon in the photo had straight legs and no angled braces. Mike Williams has some of these for sale or at least he did until I ordered up 4 sets
. The wagons shown on page 61 have different W irons with curved angle braces. These wagons have the curved end to the top plank. I'm not sure if the wagon on page 60 had a curve to the top plank but, that's how it will be shown. I don't have a drawing of this type but I have ordered a drawing of another ballast wagon dated 1851, I think, LBSCR, of which, I shall make two.
Jon
I'm going to make them look something like No. 7796 on page 60 of Southern wagons Vol. Two. As above, the outside hinges are going to be moved inwards so that I can represent the pin that is bolted onto the inner face of the end. The actual hinges need to be changed to early LBSCR type. These were a sort of staple fitted to a steel plate that was bolted to the floor or to the solebar. The eye of the strap part of the hinge was fitted to this. If you think along these lines and look at the photograph hopefully you will see what I mean. The W irons will be changed as well. The ones used on the wagon in the photo had straight legs and no angled braces. Mike Williams has some of these for sale or at least he did until I ordered up 4 sets
. The wagons shown on page 61 have different W irons with curved angle braces. These wagons have the curved end to the top plank. I'm not sure if the wagon on page 60 had a curve to the top plank but, that's how it will be shown. I don't have a drawing of this type but I have ordered a drawing of another ballast wagon dated 1851, I think, LBSCR, of which, I shall make two.Jon
Jon Nazareth
Western Thunderer
Here are a couple of pictures of the drawing that I was expecting. It is dated 1851 and different from 7796 in quite a few respects. I was hoping that it would have the same catch arrangements as 7796 but in fact, it is more like Mike Williams' MR open. Never mind, I'm planning to make a pair of these all the same and being early, the only identification would have been by the plate bolted to the sole bar well, that's how I'm going to represent them
Jon
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Jon Nazareth
Western Thunderer
Sometimes, I post things and only part of them appear or, as in this case, the pictures are sized differently so, here they are again.
Jon
Jon
Spitfire2865
Western Thunderer
Thats an interesting catch arrangement. Its more like a hinge door latch with its own locking pin. You might be able to find something suitable in the 1/24 doll house market.
Jon Nazareth
Western Thunderer
Trevor
Mike is sending me some next week.
Jon
Mike is sending me some next week.
Jon
Spitfire2865
Western Thunderer
Interesting its got a pushrod acting brake, not a direct acting. I thought the former was a later invention.
Jon Nazareth
Western Thunderer
Arty
That's a good picture, where did it come from? Those corner fittings are the same as my drawing but the drop down hinges aren't. They are the sort that have a sort of staple fitted to a plate that is fixed to the floor. The axle boxes are dated 1878 but they could be replacements or fitted from new. Early wagons had a square number plate with no lettering and, I think, Stroudley introduced the oval type but I'm not sure about the latter. Also, the plate doesn't quite fit on the sole bar. There are those out there with vastly more knowledge than I have re the LBSCR. All very interesting nevertheless.
Jon
That's a good picture, where did it come from? Those corner fittings are the same as my drawing but the drop down hinges aren't. They are the sort that have a sort of staple fitted to a plate that is fixed to the floor. The axle boxes are dated 1878 but they could be replacements or fitted from new. Early wagons had a square number plate with no lettering and, I think, Stroudley introduced the oval type but I'm not sure about the latter. Also, the plate doesn't quite fit on the sole bar. There are those out there with vastly more knowledge than I have re the LBSCR. All very interesting nevertheless.
Jon
Yorkshire Dave
Western Thunderer
Also interesting to see what would be the 'W' iron square bolt plates at different angles on the solebar.
It also looks like there is an outline of a plate originally bolted to the solebar to the above and right of the left wheel spring support.
It also looks like there is an outline of a plate originally bolted to the solebar to the above and right of the left wheel spring support.
Spitfire2865
Western Thunderer
If you have a flat scan drawing, I can draft it up in CAD. Then whoever wants can do what they wish with it.
Jon Nazareth
Western Thunderer
Mike Williams already supplies the ‘W’ irons.
Jon
Jon
Jon Nazareth
Western Thunderer
Arty
They are the narrow type. He made them up for some early LBSCR wagons that I built sometime ago.
Jon
They are the narrow type. He made them up for some early LBSCR wagons that I built sometime ago.
Jon