14xx info please

[Mr Grumpy]

Hi,
As some may be aware, I am building a MOK 14xx. I have decided to build it without the top feed boiler.
@Dog Star pointed out that I should be fitting clack valves above the back head.
I have as usual, scoured the Internet to find the top feed less back head set up and also tried to get a photo or info from a couple of Preservation societies who own these locos (albeit with top feeds) so far I'm still in the dark !!
Please could I ask if anyone has a photo or drawing of the layout for a 14xx with out top feed they could share with me?

Many thanks in advance!!

Richard

 

[oldravendale]

Hi Richard.

I have plenty of photos of 14XX tanks without top feed but regrettably none of the back head. There is at least one preserved, though. 1450 is, I believe, on the South Devon Railway. There may be others.

Brian

 

[Mr Grumpy]

Hi Brian,
I called the SDR, and was told their loco has the top feed.
I will give them a further call to confirm. It's quite a nice day out so happy to drive down!
Thanks!

 

[oldravendale]

Here's a photo during preservation, although not at the SDR, so I reckon you can be confident - unless, of course, it's been modified! Other photos of the same loco before preservation confirm no top feed, so there's been no number swap here.

Photo is not mine so normal caveats re reproduction and copyright apply.

B

 

[Mr Grumpy]

Hi Brian,
They only have 1420. 1450 is privately owned and at the SVR.
However, I found a photo of the cab, which looks almost identical, but without the piework going out across the tank top! So perhaps the valpves are at floor level ?
(Not my photo, used for reference only)

 

[Heather Kay]

I may be barking up the wrong tree, but I think the clack valves are where I've circled on your image.



The fireman's side is lurking behind the sight glass. Copper pipe down into the floor, with the feed into the backhead itself.

 

[Mr Grumpy]

Many thanks Heather! Now you have show me they look obvious
The copper wire you gave me will be coming in useful

 

[Heather Kay]

Glad I could help.

 

[oldravendale]

Sorry about the dodgy lead! I looked up "Location of Steam Loco 1450" on line and it told me SDR. Should have dug deeper!

Brian

 

[Steph Dale]

Richard,

Does this photograph of a Dean Goods backhead help, it certainly has clack valves on the backhead.

File:Dean Goods 3 db.jpg - Wikimedia Commons

Steph

 

[pakpaul]

There is a GA drawing number 9470 of the 48xx class on page 328 (front, rear and part view of cab which shows the clack valve on the fireman's side) and a side elevation dated August 1932 on pages 330 and 331 of Great Western Journal number 22 Spring 1997. There are also some detail shots in GW Journal number 23, but unfortunately not of the backhead.

The location on the drawing on the fireman's side looks to be identical to that on your photograph, as well as that on the photo of the Dean Goods backhead from Steph.

My copy has been bound, and so unfortunately I am unable to get a clear scan from it.

Paul

 

[Brian Daniels]

I should have a picture of the blackhead of 1450 but at the moment I am on a train in Sweden en-route to Trondheim in Norway so can't sort it out until next Thursday.

 

[Mr Grumpy]

Richard,

Does this photograph of a Dean Goods backhead help, it certainly has clack valves on the backhead.

File:Dean Goods 3 db.jpg - Wikimedia Commons

Steph

Thanks Steph,
I stumbled across a cab photo of 1450 and Mark sent me a few too, so I have enough info to be going on with. ( see my 14xx build)
Thanks to every one who contributed, I will try my best to produce an accurate back head for my loco

 

[Mr Grumpy]

Just one more thought.....Were the regulator and reverser RED back in the day, or is this just a 'preservation' addition?
Old photos tend to be in black and white

 

[Steph Dale]

Not sure about Swindon practice, but that would be right for Eastleigh.
Steph

 

[Mr Grumpy]

Thanks Steph. I just squeezed the back head in to my loco, and even if they weren't painted, it may give the cab a splash of colour!